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September 2020

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  • September 17
  • September 16
    • PS5 price and bundles: when can we expect PlayStation 5 deals to arrive?
    • New Juggernaut series creators delve into his X-Men exile from Krakoa
    • Marvel's U.K. super-team The Union forges ahead with 2020 debut
    • All PS5 upgrade games confirmed so far
    • Check out the first Demon's Souls remake gameplay footage
    • Oddworld: Soulstorm gets a new gameplay trailer featuring Molluck's return
    • PS5 dimensions, size, and weight confirmed: Here's how much space you'll need
    • PS5 games: All the upcoming PS5 games confirmed so far
    • God of War 2: Everything we know so far about Ragnarok on PS5
    • PS5 accessories priced - here's how much the DualSense controller, Pulse 3D headset and more will cost
    • PS5 reactions: The GamesRadar team reflects on the cost, date, and biggest news out of the Sony showcase
    • How much do PS5 games cost? It's official: more
    • Spider-Man: Miles Morales and Horizon: Forbidden West coming to PS4 is an unexpected surprise, but one we should probably welcome
    • PS5 games from Sony will be priced up to $70/£70, Jim Ryan says
    • PS5 price officially announced by Sony for regular and Digital Edition PlayStation 5 this November
    • Spider-Man: Miles Morales, Horizon Forbidden West, and Sackboy: A Big Adventure will all release on PS4
    • PS5 showcase event: Every trailer and announcement from the show
    • Spider-Man: Miles Morales release date confirmed, and it's coming out alongside PS5
    • PS5 vs Xbox Series X – will either console have a clear edge in the next generation?
    • Final Fantasy 16 is produced by Naoki Yoshida, but might not release "for some time"
    • PS5: Release date, launch games, and everything you need to know about the Sony PlayStation 5
    • PS5 pre-orders announced - and you can get them now
    • PS5 launch games: All the PlayStation 5 launch games confirmed so far
    • PlayStation Plus Collection will bring dozens of great PS4 games to PS5 at launch
    • PS5 release date confirmed: Here's when you can get it, depending on where you live
    • God of War 2 is official, and it's called God of War: Ragnarok
    • First Black Ops Cold War campaign gameplay shows slow-mo bullet cams and an assassination gone wrong
    • Resident Evil 8 gets a creepy new story trailer at PS5 showcase
    • Everything we know about Final Fantasy 16 – release date, platforms and more
    • Deathloop gets a release window in Q2 2021
    • Marvel honors X-Men legend Chris Claremont in December
    • Hogwarts Legacy is a Harry Potter game releasing in 2021
    • Spider-Man: Miles Morales PS5 gameplay revealed and it's also coming to PS4
    • Thor #7 gives out Tony Stark's phone number, for real - spoilers
    • Star Wars: Tales from the Galaxy's Edge gameplay trailer and release window revealed
    • Medal of Honor: Above and Beyond gets a December release date and Steam support
    • Disney Plus schedule confirms WandaVision for 2020, no Falcon and The Winter Soldier
    • The Phoenix Force will pick a new host in December, starting with the Avengers
    • New Splinter Cell and Assassin's Creed games confirmed for Oculus VR
    • Transformers: Escape introduces the innocent bystanders of Cybertron
    • Batman/Catwoman: story, cast, schedule, and everything else we know
    • Crash Bandicoot 4 demo trailer shows off three levels you can play right now
    • Oculus Quest 2 Review: "Improved VR experiences and more power make up for aesthetic trade-offs"
    • PS5 showcase event: How to watch and what to expect
    • Expect more WildStorm returns at DC next year
    • Cyberpunk 2077 system requirements will likely be revealed at Night City Wire on Friday
    • Fortnite Gatherers location: Where to find Gorgers and how to deal damage with a Gatherer's remains
    • 30 best PC games to play right now
    • Flight Simulator 2020 Best Mods: How to find and install mods and custom liveries
    • Dragon Age 4 trailer, story details, new concept art and everything else we know so far
    • Take-Two CEO defends $70 next-gen game pricing: Games have gotten "much, much bigger"
    • GTA 6 release date, news and rumours
    • Crysis developer Crytek teases unannounced AAA game in job listings
    • 30 best co-op games to play right now
    • THPS Burnside Over Da Pool gap: Where to find the Over Da Pool gap on Burnside
    • Florence Pugh talks Black Widow: “This film is about the abuse of women. It’s so painful, and it’s so important"
    • Nintendo is planning “many games” for Switch, even as it looks to its “next gaming system”
    • Nvidia RTX 3080 review roundup: "One of the largest generational leaps in GPU history"
    • The Devil All The Time ending explained by director Antonio Campos
    • Mass Effect Trilogy Remastered listings for PS4, Xbox One, and Switch pop up on retailer's site
    • Best Shots review: Iron Man #1 "grounded take is very welcome indeed"
    • Fortnite Doctor Doom's statue location: Where to visit Doctor Doom's statue as Doctor Doom
    • Best Xbox One exclusives you need to own
    • The 20 best PS4 exclusives that you need to play
    • Scarlett Johansson addresses Black Widow's fate in Avengers: Endgame
    • Microsoft says it’s “not reliant” on Halo Infinite as an Xbox Series X launch title
    • THPS Pagoda Gap Streets: Where to complete the Tony Hawk's Pro Skater Pagoda Gap
    • Super Mario 3D All-Stars review: "A celebration of some of Mario's greatest achievements"
    • Natasha, Yelena and Taskmaster are ready for action in these exclusive Black Widow images
    • Save $250 on Samsung's Galaxy Note 20 Ultra right now
    • Call of Duty Warzone season 6 release date seemingly confirmed by COD League team
    • The Mandalorian season 2 release date, new trailer, director list, and more
    • Fortnite Weather Station location: Where to visit the Weather Station as Storm
    • Nintendo Direct Mini: Partner Showcase announced for September 17
    • New Uncharted movie set photos give a first look at Mark Wahlberg’s Sully
    • Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War free Alpha takes place this weekend on PS4
    • Cheap Elder Scrolls: Call to Arms deals - the best offers on the tabletop wargame
    • Xbox Series X: Everything you need to know from release date to specs, games, and more
    • Call of Duty: Warzone mobile hinted at by new Activision job listing
    • Fargo showrunner Noah Hawley on his Star Trek movie: "We’re not doing Kirk and we’re not doing Picard"
    • Nintendo hints at making more movies and shows involving its franchises and characters
    • Lego Mos Eisley Cantina set - where to find the new Star Wars kit
    • South Park returning with hour-long "Pandemic Special" episode
    • Super Mario movie is officially coming in 2022 with Miyamoto involved as producer
    • Donkey Kong Country 2 is coming to Switch Online this month
    • Someone remade the Drake and Josh intro in Animal Crossing, and it's a masterpiece
    • Best Black Widow comics of all time
  • September 15
    • Another Black Widow delay is reportedly "likely"
    • Norgal the barbarian returns to hunt a nursery rhyme in Head Lopper #13
    • Marvel December "Knullified" variants include a new Ghost Rider title
    • Amnesia Rebirth gets new trailer and October release date
    • Best Shots review: Detective Comics #1027 "a worthy tribute to the issue that launched Batman"
    • Thanos returns in Eternals #2 in December
    • CD Projekt Red on Cyberpunk 2077 companions: "There's lots of them, and quite important ones that we haven't shown yet"
    • Life is Strange dev's new game Twin Mirror gets December release date
    • The secret comic book origin of Brad Meltzer
    • Apple announces new iPads, Apple Watch 6 and SE models - but no iPhone 12
    • Max Bemis imagines "Punisher for neurotics" in Heavy with Eryk Donovan
    • Red Dead Online patch notes: Legendary Rams on Xbox One, PC, and Stadia and a heck of a lot more
    • Sony denies PS5 production cuts: "We have not changed the number since the start"
    • Best Shots review: Batman #99 "doesn't feel like it has the space to really breathe"
    • Marvel renumbers Wolverine #8 as Wolverine #350 in December
    • Heavy Metal signs artists German Ponce and Diego Yapur to exclusive deals
    • Watch Dogs Legion system requirements are here – can your PC handle London?
    • Xbox debuts "so many games," a techno song for Game Pass xCloud gaming; 2020 weirdness soldiers on
    • FIFA 21 preview: "Not looking like the overhaul FIFA players were hoping for"
    • Rocket League is going free-to-play next week
    • Fortnite Friendship monument location: Where to emote as Groot at a Friendship monument
    • Marvel celebrates 50 years of Conan comic books with a Conan legend
    • Undertale sequel Deltarune “may be around 50% done"
    • Black Panther's Brian Stelfreeze lunges back into creator-owned comics with "the most badass American secret agent ever"
    • THPS Alien Plushies locations: Where to find all the plushies and unlock the Alien character
    • How does the Xbox Series X launch lineup compare to Xbox One, Xbox 360, and Xbox?
    • Fortnite gets a GeForce RTX graphics overhaul on September 17
    • Mandalorian season 2 trailer breakdown: Jedi, Tusken Raiders, and a mysterious ice planet
    • Cyberpunk hack-and-slasher Ghostrunner gets an October release date
    • Fortnite Heart-shaped Island location: Where to plant a seed on a heart-shaped island as Groot
    • How to watch The Mandalorian online and on TV around the world
    • 38th Golden Joystick Awards is going digital, voting shortlists announced late September
    • Elder Scrolls: Call to Arms review: "Breathes new life into tabletop wargaming"
    • Golden Joystick Awards 2020: Everything you need to know
    • The Invincible is a sci-fi thriller coming to PS5 and Xbox Series X from a new studio of former CD Projekt Red and Techland developers
    • Xbox Series X pre-orders - get your hands on the next-gen console first
    • Fall Guys mid-season update improves anti-cheat and adds the one and only Big Yeetus
    • The Mandalorian season 2 trailer shows the next steps in Mando and Baby Yoda's journey
    • Xbox Series S price and pre-order bundles: when can we expect the deals to arrive?
    • So the new Batman character Clownhunter is not Damian Wayne in disguise
    • Marvel's Avengers game War Zone mission List
    • Xbox Series X price and bundles: when can we expect the deals to arrive?
    • “Microsoft is going to do very well” in the next console generation, says Take-Two CEO
    • Pokemon Air is basically a Pikachu Space Hopper and we're here for it
    • Forget Prime Day, the AirPods Pro just dropped to their lowest ever price today
    • All the video game release dates for PS5, Xbox Series X, PS4, Xbox One, PC, and Switch
    • Take-Two CEO says cloud gaming “will not be transformative”
    • Ark cheats - Stay alive with Ark: Survival Evolved commands and cheats
    • Miyamoto gives 35-year-old Mario advice, despite his forever age being 26
    • The Devil All The Time director talks Robert Pattinson, filming with real spiders, and capturing the book’s spirit
    • Potential PS5 production shortage might not be that bad
    • WWE 2K Battlegrounds roster: 9 grapplers we can’t wait to use, plus the full roster list
    • Walmart Plus membership: free trials, benefits, prices, and everything you need to know
    • How to watch Friends online and stream each season around the world
    • Liam Neeson defends Star Wars: The Phantom Menace and Jar Jar Binks actor Ahmed Best
    • How to tame a Fox in Minecraft and make a new friend
    • Fall Guys releases screenshots for its “biggest update since launch”
    • Falcon and Winter Soldier set photos reveal Sam Wilson's new Captain America suit and a returning villain
    • Xbox Series S retail box isn't shy about the console's giant vent
    • ASUS ROG Strix GA15 gaming pc review: "One of the best pre-built gaming machines of the year"
    • Who is Kang the Conqueror and what are his powers?
    • Cuphead toys are coming to Arby's kids meals
  • September 14
    • Radeon revealed the design of its new graphics card in Fortnite
    • Xbox Series S is less than half the weight of the Xbox Series X
    • Find the Destiny 2 Sanctum of Bones Lost Sector and start the Exodus Evacuation quest
    • Microsoft differentiates Xbox Series X and Series S in new product pages
    • Fantastic Four meets 'Cronenberg body horror' in December
    • Skull and Bones: Delays, features, and everything else you need to know
    • Fallout 76 One Wasteland update makes it easier to explore and play with friends
    • Ooblets is getting a Halloween update that adds a whole new, spooky region
    • ASUS and IKEA are working on gaming accessories that'll level up your hygge
    • How to fix the "You do not have permission to play Fortnite" error
    • New Mutants gets new writer post-X of Swords
    • PS5 shipments reportedly rushed as Sony tries to meet holiday demand
    • Grant Morrison and Chris Burnham return to Batman in Detective Comics #1027 preview
    • The 10 best Avengers villains
    • Destiny 2: Beyond Light: release date, price, Stasis subclasses, and everything you need to know
    • Ant-Man 3 reportedly adds a major Marvel villain to the MCU
    • Buy Star Wars: Squadrons on the Epic Games Store, get a free Fortnite X-Wing Glider
    • Cloud gaming with Xbox Game Pass Ultimate launches with more than 150 games on Tuesday
    • The best gaming TVs: 4K TVs perfect for PS4 and Xbox One in 2020
    • Overwatch characters: check out all the heroes and decide which one is best for you
    • PS5 showcase predictions: From Final Fantasy 16 to The Last of Us 2 Factions, here's what we expect to see
    • Bungie CEO says rumours of a Microsoft acquisition are "false"
    • The first Thor movie originally had a cameo from villain Hela
    • New PS5 ad is meant to "evoke some of the feelings" of playing the new console
    • Crash Bandicoot 4 ad channels the madness of the '90s in the best way possible
    • Tom King will bring back the Watchmen characters in Rorschach
    • The best new TV shows coming your way in 2020 and beyond
    • Star Wars: Squadrons 'Hunted' short introduces you to your new TIE wingman
    • Romelu Lukaku isn’t impressed with his FIFA 21 stats
    • Xbox Series S doesn't run Xbox One X game enhancements but does make its own, Microsoft confirms
    • Brian Bendis ends his Superman and Action Comics runs, comments on future
    • Is Mulan Premier Access worth it on Disney Plus?
    • Avengers game crossplay: can you play between PS4, Xbox and PC
    • Netflix releases exhilarating trailer for The Trial of the Chicago 7
    • First Cyberpunk 2077 Platinum trophy has already been claimed
    • Wonder Woman 1984: new release date, trailers, runtime, and more
    • Twitch plays Microsoft Flight Simulator and successfully lands a plane
    • iPhone 11 review: Apple luxury drops its price
    • Facebook accidentally reveals the Oculus Quest 2
    • Black Myth: Wukong is the first entry in a trilogy of games based on Chinese myth
    • Minecraft Nether update: 1.16 fixes some piglin bugs
    • Final Fantasy 16 could be announced during PS5 showcase according to latest rumour
    • The Boys preview teases Terror the dog, Butcher fighting a Supe, and a Homelander massacre
    • Minecraft Respawn Anchor: How to get one and set your spawn point in the Nether
    • Minecraft Netherite tools: All the items and weapons you can craft with Netherite
    • Minecraft Netherite armor: How to get a full set made of Netherite
    • Insomniac shows-off Spider-Man: Miles Morales on PS5 at 4K HDR with cheeky teaser
    • The Flash movie "restarts everything" in the DCEU, teases producer
    • Minecraft Netherite: Where to find Netherite and what to do with Ancient Debris
    • Minecraft guide: Everything you need to know so you can boss the blocks and become a master builder
    • Minecraft enchanting: How to make an enchanting table use Minecraft enchantments
    • Fall Guys fans are making new minigames in Fortnite and Minecraft while they wait for an official level editor
    • New behind-the-scenes footage of Zack Snyder’s Justice League shown at DC FanDome
  • September 13
  • September 12
  • September 11
    • Xbox's Phil Spencer revealed the Xbox Series S in July, but no one noticed
    • Marvel Comics December 2020 solicitations for King in Black event
    • How the creators of Getting It Together got it together
    • Kena: Bridge of Spirits delayed to 2021
    • Mark Waid returns to DC in December
    • Bungie is finally nerfing the most annoying weapon in Destiny history
    • PS5 box contents and model numbers revealed by Hong Kong distributor
    • Miles Morales tries to keep on as Spider-Man despite being "Outlawed" in Champions #1
    • DC explains why there is no Batman Day comic books; reteams with Diamond for masks
    • Destiny 2 double Nightfall rewards coming next week, and for the shortest Strike possible
    • X-Men Children of the Atom spin-off scheduled for January
    • Justice League event Endless Winter brings back Black Adam, introduces surprise new DC villain
    • Fortnite Sapling Groot location: How to rescue Sapling Groot from Holly Hedges Nursery
    • Wonder Woman 1984 has been delayed until Christmas
    • DC cancels Batman Beyond
    • 30 Best PS4 games to play right now
    • Hit audio drama podcast Bubble expands to comic books
    • How to find Diamonds in Minecraft: Improve your chances and find Diamonds quicker (hopefully)
    • What is Xbox All Access?
    • Minecraft Realms guide: What is it, and how to set up your personal multiplayer server
    • Cobra Kai season 3: release date, trailer, plot, and everything we know
    • Dark Nights: Death Metal expands with three more one-shots in December
    • The best games of 2020 (so far)
    • Jonah Hex would be proud: Jinny Hex spinning off into her own one-shot from Visaggio & Melnikov
    • Play Minecraft for free in your browser because who needs free time?
    • Xbox Series X can lay on its side, but it's gonna look weird
    • DC December 2020 solicitations and covers
    • The Prince of Persia remake's graphics were its developers' choice
    • New Animal Crossing outfits promote awareness of LGBTQ+ youth suicide
    • Minecraft House: How to build the best Minecraft house so you can stay safe and live in style
    • The new Netflix movies and shows to binge-watch right now
    • The new Disney Plus movies and shows to watch right now
    • DICE continues to tease incoming Battlefield 6 information
    • Best wireless gaming headsets 2020 - cut the cord with Sennheiser, SteelSeries, and more
    • Black Widow release date, cast, trailer, villain, and everything else you need to know about the new MCU movie
    • Google Stadia: Games, cost, and everything we know about it
    • The best Minecraft shaders to brighten up your world
    • Destiny 2 is making big changes to Strikes, Crucible, and Gambit this fall
    • Everything we know about The Elder Scrolls 6 (it's not much)
    • With talk of a Silk TV show, an update on the planned Silk comic book ongoing series
    • Halo Infinite: Gameplay trailer, release date delay, and more
    • When does Fortnite Chapter 2 Season 5 start? Here's everything we know so far
    • 6 New Netflix, Disney Plus, and Amazon Prime movies and shows to watch this weekend (September 11)
    • Best Minecraft Seeds: Where to spawn for the best adventures
    • The 25 best RPGs you can play right now
    • Developers say Xbox Series S could hold back multiplatform games: "Min spec matters"
    • Fortnite Vases locations: Where to emote as Jennifer Walters after smashing vases
    • Scott Pilgrim creator has “very little involvement” in the video game re-release
    • Fable 4 might be a new beginning, but here are five lessons it should learn from the original game
    • Best Shots advance review: Commanders in Crisis #1 "fun, vibrant, and approachable"
    • How to make an Iron Golem in Minecraft and get a little extra protection
    • Rick and Morty season 5 release date speculation, new footage, theories, and more
    • Have you tried… solving murders with the power of vaporwave in Paradise Killer?
    • The Devil All The Time review: "Robert Pattinson delivers another film-stealing supporting turn"
    • Get an Alienware deal in Dell UK's big gaming sale right now
    • Win a Blu-ray of The Day of the Triffids
    • Mulan Disney Plus deals - here's how to get the movie
    • Introducing Warhammer 40k to comic readers with Batman: Year One-style take on the iconic Marneus Calgar
    • Xbox Series V is a rumoured all-digital Series X
    • Best Minecraft servers that deliver blocky takes on Pokemon, Harry Potter, and Lord of the Rings
    • Xbox Series X games: All the upcoming Xbox Series X games confirmed so far
    • New Avatar sequel set photos show Sigourney Weaver stunting underwater
    • Minecraft cheats: all the console commands you need for crafty success
    • Animal Crossing: New Horizons concept art and early screenshots emerge
    • What is Premier Access on Disney Plus? Explaining the Mulan 'experiment'
    • The best Minecraft mods: get more mobs, visit new worlds and try completely different experiences
    • Immortals Fenyx Rising dev comments on Breath of the Wild comparisons
    • PS4 box art shows off ‘PS5 Upgrade’ branding
    • Where is the Fortnite Jennifer Walters Office location: Where to find She-Hulk's law offices
    • The Boys season 2 release schedule: when does episode 5 air on Amazon Prime Video?
    • The best Minecraft texture packs: how to find, download and install texture packs and change your world
    • Cyber Monday deals 2020: what to expect from the year's other big sale
    • Dying Light 2 trailers, that delayed release date, and everything else
    • The best Minecraft skins: from Thanos to Homer, bring some familiar faces into Minecraft
    • Fable 4 just got revealed, and it's got fairies, frogs and a new developer
    • Fast and Furious 9 is boldly going where the franchise hasn’t gone before – to space
    • Here's when Mulan will be free with your Disney Plus subscription
    • Steven Spielberg told Netflix that Jurassic World: Camp Cretaceous shouldn’t be a “kiddy version”
    • The 37 best Netflix shows to watch right now (September 2020)
    • Remedy accidentally upgrades, then downgrades, Control Deluxe Edition after saying it wasn't possible
    • Fortnite could be banned from Apple until 2021
    • Xbox Series S Lockhart codename hidden meaning revealed
    • Xbox Series X and S to feature Dolby Vision Gaming
    • How to watch Mulan online - stream the live-action 2020 movie
    • Scream 5 cast adds original star Neve Cambell and numerous newcomers
    • Amazon Prime Day 2020: deals, dates and more
    • First Freaky trailer shows off new blood-soaked body-swapping story from Happy Death Day director
    • The Boys short film is filled with deleted scenes and reveals what Butcher did before season 2
    • Abandoned Pokémon Picross game resurfaces after 20 years
    • Battlefield 6 release date, PS5 and Xbox Series X details, and everything else we know
    • Black Friday deals 2020: what to expect from this year's biggest sales season
    • The Boys season 2, episode 4 review: "Uncomfortable, captivating viewing"
    • The best upcoming games of 2020 (and beyond)
    • Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity is getting a 50-minute gameplay showcase this month
    • 10 best Justice League stories
    • Miss any of the amazing Totally Game episodes? Get your season 1 recap here
  • September 10
    • Storm shares a moment with Jean Grey and Emma Frost in Giant-Size X-Men: Storm #1
    • Batman/Catwoman has a new release date
    • Apple gives "indefinite extension" on using its sign-in feature on Epic Games accounts
    • Ubisoft Forward: Every trailer and announcement from the showcase
    • There’s a Far Cry 3 VR game coming next year that you’ll probably never be able to play
    • Marvel's Avengers loot bug fix on its way, exotics are dropping "as intended"
    • Lionel Messi is the best player in FIFA 21 (ahead of Cristiano Ronaldo)
    • The latest Dog Man outsells every other book (comics or not) in North America since debut
    • Annapurna Interactive box set bundles 8 of the best PS4 indies for the holidays
    • Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time Remake wants to introduce a new generation of players to a game that once defined a genre
    • Watch Dogs: Legion will have special Stormzy mission available on launch day
    • Immortals Fenyx Rising is family-friendly fantasy with just a whiff of loneliness
    • Riders Republic is the next game from the creators of Steep, and it's coming to PS5 and Xbox Series X
    • AGOS: A Game of Space is a new interstellar survival game from Ubisoft
    • Scott Pilgrim vs. the World: The Game is celebrating its 10th birthday by coming back from the dead
    • Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time Remake announced, and it's coming in 2021
    • Immortals Fenyx Rising gets December release date
    • Pokemon Go Cresselia counters: Weaknesses, moveset, and how to beat Cresselia
    • Little Bird creators tease a prequel, Precious Metal
    • FIFA 21 ratings: the top 100 players, including de Bruyne and VVD
    • DC events Crisis on Infinite Earths and more get infected by the Dark Multiverse in December
    • Destiny 2 guide: complete campaign walkthroughs and guides for every corner of the game
    • Destiny 2 Class Guide - should you pick Titan, Hunter or Warlock?
    • Iron Man and Doctor Doom versus Santa Claus in December Marvel special
    • Obi-Wan Disney Plus series will only be one season long, suggests Ewan McGregor
    • Why now’s the right time for The Walking Dead to end
    • Every Black Ops Cold War multiplayer map we've seen - how big they are, how dangerous, and where's the tank?
    • Xbox Series X ports finally revealed alongside the Series S
    • GTA Online patch notes: Boosted profits in Business Battles, a free tracksuit, and diamonds galore
    • Fortnite Wolverine Trophy location: Where to find Wolverine's Trophy in Dirty Docks
    • Fortnite Creative codes: The best Fortnite custom maps to play
    • DC's new general manager aims to "leverage the cultural power" of company for "increasingly diverse global fan base"
    • Official Xbox Series X expansion storage could cost $220 for 1TB
    • Xbox Series S shown off in first hands-on photos, and it's pretty damn tiny
    • Fortnite gas pump locations: Where to deal damage with exploding gas pumps at Fortnite gas stations
    • The Midgard Serpent rises to fight again in Thor #8 variant
    • Skyrim Enchanting guide: Learn how to enchant in Skyrim with our quick walkthrough
    • Fortnite V-Bucks: how to get them and avoid scams
    • Read the world exclusive Spelunky 2 review and more in the latest issue of Edge Magazine
    • BOTW recipes: The best Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild cooking recipes to buff and boost your game
    • Cyberpunk 2077 Night City Wire part 3 is coming next week
    • The most anticipated new horror movies of 2020 and beyond
    • Marvel's Avengers review: "This game can't figure out what the hell it is"
    • Xbox Game Pass for PC is about to double in price
    • Best gaming mouse 2020 - Razer, Corsair, Logitech and beyond
    • Writer Phillip Kennedy Johnson has a new Marvel Comics project in the works
    • Fortnite Challenges: How to complete all of the weekly challenges in Season 4
    • Dame Diana Rigg – best known for Game of Thrones and James Bond – has died, aged 82
    • The best Skyrim mods to make your game prettier or far more interesting and weird
    • Fuser might be hiding the best social media platform of all time
    • The best PS4 SSD for 2020
    • The best PS4 external hard drives for 2020
    • Fortnite Week 3 challenges: How to clear all of the weekly missions in Season 4 Week 3
    • The best Xbox One external hard drives for 2020
    • Leaked Disney+ partnership could narrow down PS5 release window
    • Best Turtle Beach headset for 2020: a range of models compared
    • Turtle Beach Stealth 600 Gen 2 review: "A worthy successor to the original"
    • New Fortnite update adds Stark Industries and hi-tech powers to the game
    • Best gaming keyboards 2020 - Corsair, Razer, SteelSeries, and more
    • Fortnite Panther's Prowl location: Where to visit the Black Panther monument in Fortnite
    • Skull and Bones production is in "full swing with a new vision", Ubisoft confirms
    • Mulan: The biggest differences between the animation and the live-action movies
    • New Demon’s Souls remake screenshots show off boss fights and haunting vistas
    • Cobra Kai season 3 will dive deeper into the stories of iconic Karate Kid characters, hints Kreese actor
    • Stardew Valley 2 isn't in the works yet but it could happen in the future, developer says
    • Nintendo and Epic are launching a Fortnite-themed Switch
    • Philips Fidelio X3 review: Seriously premium audio quality headphones at a mid-range price tag"
    • Call of Duty Warzone bunker locations: red keycards and Bunker 11 explained
    • GTA Online Casino Cars: Progen Itali GTB is the Lucky Wheel podium vehicle this week
    • A surprise Witcher character is reportedly returning for season 2 and it might mess with the timeline again
    • GTA 5 cheats: Get every Grand Theft Auto 5 cheat code and phone number for PS4, Xbox One, and PC
    • Wonder Woman 1984 and Dune release dates could be pushed back
    • Xbox Series X retail box makes next-gen feel like it's finally happening
    • Dune trailer breakdown: Spice, sandworms, and Pink Floyd
    • Tell Me Why review: "The new gold standard for trans characters in games"
    • No More Heroes 3 delayed to 2021
    • 10 best powerless superheroes
    • All Xbox Series X Smart Delivery games confirmed for Xbox Series X optimization
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Call of Duty, and FarCry/Crysis[edit]

I took the liberty of looking at a bunch of top ten lists. There are a lot of intermittent mentions, like Shogun, or Resistance Fall of Man. But there are two names that keep coming up that should probably be included: FarCry/Crysis, and the Call of Duty series. Besides having a pretty devoted following, both of them really represent major refinements in the genre: FarCry in terms of graphics and open world level design, and Call of Duty in terms of cinematics and storytelling. (Not that I've played either game. That's just what I've read / heard.) Randomran (talk) 21:17, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, they're among a few recent games I was tempted to put in. My concern is that it's a bit early to know such games will have a lasting influence, as well as the fear of skewing the article in favour of the name dropping of in-vogue titles. I'm looking through some reviews now though. bridies (talk) 21:37, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
All right, done. bridies (talk) 22:02, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Looks good to me. A few token mentions doesn't hurt. We want the history to seem complete, without going into exhaustive detail about every single FPS. Randomran (talk) 22:09, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm wondering why Far Cry 2 was mentioned instead of the original. The original was far more ground breaking than the sequel. I've never played FC2, but when FC was released it the game to judge all new games by. I don't see how FC2 is even worth mentioning other than being just another above average FPS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.234.60.130 (talk) 02:44, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Agreed, Far Cry was really the game that "broke new ground" in terms of "large, open-ended level design", with Crysis and Far Cry 2 really building on it's foundation. I'll see if I can't dig up a source. 206.125.94.244 (talk) 22:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Far Cry 2 should indeed be deleted, it didn't broke new ground neither in terms of graphics (Crysis was way better) nor in terms of open-world or gameplay. But the original Far Cry should indeed be included for its advanced ennemy AI, open levels and the visual landmark that it was.

Why is Perfect Dark not mentioned?[edit]

This game made GE007 look like a low quality, over easy hunk of junk. PD was of course made by Rare. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.236.190.83 (talk) 09:58, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

  • It's not meant to be an exhaustive list of every single game ever made. Randomran (talk) 15:50, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

No Mention of Marathon?[edit]

I noticed there seems to be (what I believe) to be an oversight. Marathon, made by Bungie made several advances only a year after Doom - 1994, such as Looking up and down (Before Dark Forces), A More powerful network engine than Doom, including voice chat. Polygon designed levels. A powerful physics engine allowing things such as adjustable gravity, and getting blown about by explosions. Dual-wielding weapons.

Oh yeah, it also featured a deep and complex plot. :)

Whilst Marathon only made a brief jump over to the Microsoft environment, it was a significant game (and subsequent trilogy) for Mac users.

Any thoughts folks? 122.49.134.163 (talk) 16:49, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Maybe. It's in one of the sources I used [1] but it says it was "a technically superior game that no one paid any attention to"... bridies (talk) 17:40, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't have a strong opinion either way. I haven't heard much about it, but it sounds like there are some compelling reasons to include it as part of the history. If someone could find a source on it, I'd add a sentence or two. Randomran (talk) 18:58, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
It has been added into the article with a reference attached to it. --RiseRobotRise (talk) 11:11, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Marathon (1994), and Pathways Into Darkness (1992), both Bungie games, are once again not mentioned in this page, but they should have equal billing with Doom and Wolfenstein 3D. They were Apple Macintosh games but they were every bit as good and popular as Doom and Wolf3D at the time. It isn't fair to simply mention Bungie games for the XBOX, the fact is Bungie made 3D first person shooters for the Macintosh and they were just as good as, if not better, than the PC games at the time, and they helped usher-in the era of First Person Shooters on personal computers.Radical Mallard (talk) 23:31, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Reverts[edit]

Right:

  • 1. MIDI Maze needs a source. This is a GA, it cannot have unsourced material so this content will be removed until sources turn up.
  • 2. "Though first person shooters showed up on consoles as well as PCs, they did not attain much commercial or critical success." Actually, the source explicitly states: "The introduction of the Playstation in 1995 brought the first successful FPSs to consoles." Also "showed up" is bad prose.
  • 3. "Deus Ex appears to be a first-person shooter" Not necessarily. That's one opinion, other sources in the article don't consider it an FPS. So therefore "is sometimes considered".
  • 4. The metroid prime paragraph is thematically linked to the info on Deus Ex (genre-blending and such). If one is going to remove it from the Halo info Deus Ex should go with it. bridies (talk) 01:40, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Also re: "Metroid Prime, released in 2002 for the Nintendo GameCube, another highly praised console first person shooter, incorporated action adventure elements such as jumping puzzleswhich represent an evolution of the Metroid series (2D platformers) into 3D."

The source says:

Nintendo's Gamecube had some pretty slim pickings as far as shooters went; that is until 2002 when Metroid: Prime was released. Despite numerous internal issues and widespread dismay from fans upon its announcement, Nintendo's in-house Retro game studio produced a top-of-the-line adventure. Based on the über-popular Metroid 2-D sidescrollers from the '80s and '90s, Prime followed the continuing story of space mercenary Samus Aran and her ongoing battle with the evil alien parasites, the Metroid. The mix of solid adventure standards like complex puzzles, exploration and platform jumping with beautifully designed enemies and a solid graphics engine produced what many said was the Game of the Year.

There is nothing in that block quote allowing the inference highlighted in bold above. bridies (talk) 02:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

By that logic we need to remove all mentions of Maze War, Spasim, and other unsourced information (they are just as sourced as MIDI Maze -- we have articles on them with some links but probably not RS). But generally instead of removing everything without a source, we leave in information that hasn't been challenged as possibly false or non-sourceable until we can find sources for it. Also, the UGO Games source probably fails WP:RS, especially for statements like ""The introduction of the Playstation in 1995 brought the first successful FPSs to consoles." This statement doesn't have context. Andre (talk) 11:12, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
There's definitely no source for this phrase: "The first passable console first person shooters were released in 1995, for the SonyPlaystation." I object to the use of this UGO source for that statement, as it lacks context and probably falls under self-published source (it's a feature by a random editor for this website that was likely not fact checked) -- plus the use of "Passable" is ambiguous and not in the source. Andre (talk) 11:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Source for MIDI Maze release in 1987: IGN, GameSpot, MobyGames. Andre (talk) 11:18, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
In re: Metroid, how does "Based on the über-popular Metroid 2-D sidescrollers from the '80s and '90s" not lead to "which represent an evolution of the Metroid series (2D platformers) into 3D."? These two are roughly equivalent and it's not an unreasonable inference to use the phrase "evolution." Andre (talk) 13:34, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Like I said on your talk page, I'm pretty sure all the information in this article is sourced (and it has all been peer-checked). Sometimes there are two or three sentences in a row "covered" by the one citation. Again, I challenge you to provide specific quotes from the article which are not sourced. Since you say "all mentions of Maze War, Spasim" lets take the first mention of this in the history section:

The earliest two documented first person shooters were Maze War and Spasim. Maze War was the most similar to modern first person shooters, as it featured characters fighting on foot. Development of the game began some time in 1973 and was likely completed before Spasim, however its exact date of completion is unknown. Spasim had a documented debut at the University of Illinois in 1974. The game was a rudimentary space flight simulator, which featured a first-person perspective.

The source states:

Which two video games are the leading candidates for serving as the earliest documented game of the first-person shooter (FPS) genre?

Maze War and Spasim, both of which published working versions in 1974, are arguably the two earliest known FPS video games. Both feature a first-person perspective, pseudo-3D game environments, and an objective of shooting opposing players.

Which of these two came first? Maze War is the likely candidate, with development beginning sometime in 1973.

However, exact documentation of the "publish date" for Maze War isn't available, despite the fact that the game (also known as The Maze Game, Maze Wars, or Maze) got its start at the NASA Ames Research Center for use on Imlacs PDS-1 computers. From there, it spread to numerous platforms and organizations—notably MIT and Xerox—and somewhere along the way, its birthday was lost.

Of the two, Maze War is also the most similar to modern FPS games. Players wander through a 3D labyrinth environment, firing shots at other players, which appear as eye-like avatars. Versions of Maze War are still available for the Palm operating system, and the program's underlying logic inspired a number of early video games.

Somewhat ironically, it was a university—and not NASA—that developed the space simulator called Spasim. Unlike Maze War, Spasim had a well-documented debut in March 1974 on the PLATO network at the University of Illinois.

In simplest terms, Spasim was a rudimentary combat flight simulator. Players flew their craft from a first-person perspective in a 3D combat zone, while firing at opposing players rendered as wire-frame space ships.

  • WP:GACR states that all information in a Good Article must come from a cited source.
  • UGO is reliable, full-stop see here for example. Good luck getting consensus otherwise.
  • The statement (not a phrase) "The first passable console first person shooters were released in 1995, for the Sony Playstation" comes from the UGO source. It says: "The introduction of the Playstation in 1995 brought the first successful FPSs to consoles." It also says "With the possible exception of a port of Ultimate Doom, the first few FPSs on the PS1 kinda blew". Saying that they were "passable" seemed like a good way of saying they were successful, but according to the source, not that great (and and not as successful as GoldenEye). We can talk about changing the wording (specifically "passable"), but it's not acceptable to say they weren't successful when the source explicitly says they were.
  • MobyGames is generally not reliable and in any case doesn't back up what you wrote. Neither does the GameSpot source, which merely says it was an "action" game released in 1987. Your IGN source does, to some extent. Now you can say that it was an early FPS with networked play; but avoid any of that "demonstrates the same paradigm as Maze War" stuff, because it's not in the source.
  • Re: Metroid. "Based on the über-popular Metroid 2-D sidescrollers from the '80s and '90s" means just that: "based on". It does not necessarily or explicitly follow that it was an "evolution", indeed the source points out many fans were dismayed at the change. In any case I don't see how the "evolution" of an 80s platform series is relevant to an FPS history article. What is relevant is that it was a successful FPS which incorporated adventure and jumping puzzle elements. bridies (talk) 14:55, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
    • Just to check in and try and offer some balance... we should add anything that can be verified in reliable third-party sources, so long as it doesn't take this article off topic or ascribe too much weight or detail. This article is a "good article", meaning that it represents high quality content that meets all of Wikipedia's policies. I know it's tempting to just expand this with whatever we're interested in, but we can't let the standard fall. Randomran (talk) 20:39, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Let's start by including MIDI Maze with the IGN, GameSpot sources and go from there. I'll try to deal with my other edits in a different way, and we can drop the specific diffs for now. Andre (talk) 03:19, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Do we have a source that does more than verify its existence? It would be nice to have a little bit more about it, to explain why it's an important part of the history of FPSs. Randomran (talk) 05:30, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
I think its very existence as a multiplayer first person shooter released in 1987 is significant enough, and the 1991-1992 ports to SNES and Game Boy also make it one of the earliest console first person shooters. I think the influence of Maze War is pretty obvious from a cursory glance at both, but I don't have a source for that. Here are a few more references for MIDI Maze's existence in 1987 as a multiplayer FPS: START VOL. 3 NO. 2 / SPECIAL ISSUE #4 / PAGE 75, 1UP. Andre (talk) 07:00, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
You hit the jackpot with that 1up feature. That's exactly the kind of reference I was hoping was out there. Great job. Randomran (talk) 07:49, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Physics in FPS's[edit]

I'm wondering if anything could be made of the increasing interactivity in FPS environments in regards to physics technology and design, from basic object physics to developed ragdoll physics becoming standard, on to the innovations provided by Half-Life 2's gravity gun (afterall, one of the reasons why Half-Life 2 is regarded in the media as an exceptional FPS), and off into the future. The article doesn't touch on those aspects at present. -- Sabre (talk) 16:27, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

It's touched on a little bit in the "level design" section, although I see we haven't really mentioned it in the history section. I don't really know much about engines. bridies (talk) 17:39, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I think it's a good way to expand the article. Although researching these things are tough. We do have an entire (bad) article on first person shooter engines... maybe there's something to be said for summarizing a bit about how the technology has developed? Not sure. Randomran (talk) 18:45, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Article roadmap for expansion[edit]

As a video game GA on a popular topic, this article seems very aggressively watched and monitored. To avoid edit warring which seems pretty common, here are a few areas I would like to write about and would like to discuss:

  • Role of FPS games in U.S. army recruitment -- America's Army -- and inroads into popular culture and the media if any are sourceable
  • Improving eyesight with FPS titles
  • The common use of game engines such as the Unreal Tournament engine (which might have been in America's Army, can't recall if it was that or another commercial engine) in a licensing business -- merge from First-person shooter engine, which is a horrible mess of lists and original research, but might have some ideas for what to look for in sourcing the discussion, rag-doll physics, the role of PC graphics cards and such
  • Halo 3's stage-building features (I haven't tried the Forge myself so I might not be able to write this)
  • Late 80s FPSs
    • Dark Side, which is definitely an FPS from 1988, and Driller its prequel which might be an FPS, but is definitely an early first person game that led to Dark Side
    • The Colony, which also alleges to be from 1988, an early user of ray casting, but I have never seen
    • Phantom Slayer, 1982, very very primitive hardware but seems to be an FPS
    • Dungeons of Daggorath, same deal, also 1982

Andre (talk) 08:43, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Question: what's "stage-building" when its at home-and extending from that, why is it considered innovative for inclusion here? A Google search shows nothing that actually explains it for people like myself who've never heard of it. I'm imagining something like the random mission generator from Soldier of Fortune 2, but I'm probably wrong in that. -- Sabre (talk) 23:34, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure that I can answer that, I haven't tried it myself. Andre (talk) 23:51, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
A section about modifications that discusses development kits, particularly their use in making custom stages, might be warranted if a good article about them can be found. It's a pretty big deal with some games (id's Quake games and Valve's Half-Life games in particular). 206.125.94.244 (talk) 23:13, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Half Life wasn't the first fps to feature NPC's[edit]

The article quotes somewhere:Valve's Half-Life was released in 1998. Initially met with only mild anticipation, it went on to become an unprecedented commercial success.[14][41] While previous first person shooters had focused on visceral gameplay with comparatively weak plots, Half-Life had a strong narrative; the game featured no cut scenes but remained in the first person perspective at all times. It featured innovations such as non-enemy characters but did not employ power-ups.Now I know that non hostile characters were not a norm at that time but Half Life certainly isn't the first one to walk that path.The 1996 Doom Engine game Strife surely did before that for instance even if its not really that popular.So unless you give me a good reason I'm deleting/replacing that sentence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheSmasher42 (talk • contribs) 15:04, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

It's sourced. "Innovative" doesn't necessarily mean "the first"; if a game featured a rare, new feature then it's reasonable to claim, as the source does, that it "featured an innovation". Especially if any other games making use of it weren't popular. bridies (talk) 15:15, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Controls[edit]

Should we include a section on the different control methods of First Person Shooters, and their Pros and Cons (Mouse and Keyboard, Gamepad, motion sensing, etc.)? "It's over 9000!" 07:34, 18 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by FstrthnU (talk • contribs)

Well at least something better than what's there; saying that keyboard and mouse is better than a controller requires more than two random references (10, 11). One is just an article on a mouse/keyboard plug for an XBOX (basically an advert) and the other is some random news article on Killzone 2 where the writer mentions his preference.--150.101.242.246 (talk) 18:00, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Er, no it doesn't. Feel free to provide sources stating otherwise. bridies (talk) 01:54, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree that the article should include a little bit more discussion of control schemes than it does now. But obviously not to the extreme of how the article was a couple of years ago, when it featured a ridiculously over-detailed description of various control systems (which I confess I was largely responsible for). Still, maybe some short points from back then could be incorporated again, such as the fact that certain consoles like the Dreamcast have permitted the use of keyboard and mouse peripherals.
As for the reference to keyboard and mouse being "superior" to pads: perhaps the benefits should be explained more specifically (but still concisely), using a phrase such as "allowing faster and more precise aiming"? (The New York Times article on Killzone 2 used as reference #11 uses the word "precise".) --Nick RTalk 20:47, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't see that we especially need more information on controls but people are welcome to add sourced information. The Team Xbox source just says: "the well known PC combo that has been the envy of many console gamers for years". bridies (talk) 23:21, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

PC controls can give a person a carpal tunnel much easier than console controls. The controls maybe fast and accurate but, it can be really sensitive when you move your mouse. Gaming consoles can be like fast and accurate like the pc controls by setting up the control settings. for example, Halo 3 you can change the sensitivity and make it fast when you aim. Major League Gaming plays mostly gaming consoles and they usually play with fast controls. PC or not, gaming is envolving to a higher level in controls like the Nintendo Wii for example, It uses a Wii remote and a Wii nunchuck. It is really sensitive when you play FPS games on the Wii depending on you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LonewolfSoldier (talk • contribs) 04:31, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Now, let's not be hasty. It's called "Major League Gaming," but it is far from the largest professional gaming league, and it is a console-oriented set of leagues. Just because it's an organization that has tournaments for multiple games doesn't mean that it's bigger than any of the Korean Starcraft 2 leagues or the European Quake leagues. As far as I can tell trying to defend the Wii as a proper gaming console for FPS is a pretty clear sign that you're grasping at straws. The Wii is good for many things, but rapid, precise aiming while simultaneously moving is not one of them. 70.62.62.18 (talk) 04:41, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

On the subject of overlooked games...[edit]

System Shock and its sequel certainly deserve a mention or three. While neither were huge sellers, they were both highly acclaimed and arguably more influential on the traditional FPS lineage than any game outside of Doom itself. Their respective wikis have more info, but to summarize, the '94 original contains a treasure-trove of innovative features such as jumping, climbing, crouching, leaning, floating in six degrees (in Cyberspace sections), flashlights, ungradeable equipment, multiple ammo types, tactical combat, and ridiculously advanced physics (weapon recoil, sliding down ramps, object bouncing, etc.), not to mention a strong emphasis on story through radio contact and text and audiologs (same as Bioshock). System Shock 2 is often regarded as a milestone for FPS/RPG hybrids and survival horror games - its scary atmosphere and rich sound-design easily supercede everything the current article says about Doom 3. The main SS2 wiki lists five major gaming sites that include it on "greatest games ever" lists.

On a different note, I suggest S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Shadow of Chernobyl (or perhaps ARMA/Operation Flashpoint) would make a better example of open world gameplay than Far Cry 2. FC2 seems to me to have too much controversy swirling around it over just how "open" it really is.

76.212.165.102 (talk) 08:37, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Those are fair points, all one has to do are find supporting sources. bridies (talk) 10:06, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

One more overlooked game is Freaks from 1983. It's very close to Wolfenstein 3D though with only 90 degree turns. It seems to be missing in the List of firs-person shooters too.. 93.106.58.166 (talk) 18:32, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Chart of FPS games by date and engine[edit]

I've started this chart, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FPSChart.svg , inspired by this one, http://i.imgur.com/JCF0L.jpg . ---- IsaacAA (talk) 17:57, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I've added references.
FPS games, arranged by date and graphics engine[1]
----IsaacAA (talk) 16:54, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

History - Introduction of Pointer and Motion Controls[edit]

I think Metroid Prime 3: Corruption deserves a reference in the History section for its incorporation of motion controls. I'm not certain whether it's the first motion-controlled FPS, but it's certainly the first one that's used motions well. Thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.99.68.132 (talk) 05:08, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Planetside not oldest FPS[edit]

Planetside not oldest MMOFPS, despite ref article. MMORGP shows release date 6/4/2001, and the wiki confirms that date. --Flightsoffancy (talk) 18:59, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

The IGN source explicitly supports the statement that Planetside "was promoted as the first MMOFPS", so kindly stop removing it. The MMORPG.com source does not, and your original conjecture regarding released dates in not permitted. It is doubtful whether MMORPG.com is even a reliable source. bridies (talk) 05:09, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Simply look at the release date for the games. Besides this wiki pages Massively_multiplayer_online_game#MMO_first-person_shooter lists several candidates. When I put WW2Online I did not say it was first, just included it. in short, PlanetSide is not the first MMOFPS by any stretch.
PS: A date presented is a Publised fact, so it does not against the "This includes UNpublished facts," of not permitted--Flightsoffancy (talk) 20:28, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
A reliable source (i.e. IGN) calls Planetside the "world's first MMOFPS" and therefore supports the statement in the article. You are removing a reliably sourced statement, simple as that. By "including" the statement regarding WW2Online in its place you imply that it was first. The source you provided makes no such statement and in any case is of dubious reliability, certainly not as respected as IGN. Any inference you make using only a release date is again original research. Issues of genre and which is the first game in that genre have nothing to do with "facts", they are entirely in the realm of critical opinion and commentary. The article has a reliable magazine offering a critical assertion that it was the first MMOFPS. The statement in the article is also written in such a way that it shows that is critical opinion. Also, if we were to venture into original research, I would point out that the article is a contemporary source from 2004. This indicates that this was the first time "MMOFPS" was being applied to game's release. Finally, the statement has long standing consensus in the article and will remain in place until you can build consensus otherwise. Again, stop removing it with spurious arguments. bridies (talk) 04:26, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Oh, and Wiki pages are not reliable sources and your inferences from them are again original research. bridies (talk) 04:32, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Bridies, I never stated in article that WW2Online was first, and I never placed it in Planetsides place either. I included WW2Online with Battlefield, becuase both came out about the same time and cover the same genre, and the only reason to exclude it is you question the release date? I grudgingly concur with you that the lack of other articles do put Plantside as "first", but I will agree it is one of the founders of MMOFPG genre. --Flightsoffancy (talk) 17:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
FYI, IGN lists June 6, 2001 as launch date too. --Flightsoffancy (talk) 19:27, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm not questioning the release date. I'm saying you cannot use the release date and the fact someone called it an MMOFPS as a basis to include it in the article (explicitly or implicitly) as the first (or one of the first) MMOFPS games because that would be original research and/or synthesis. You would need a source which says that explicitly. I also questioned whether MMOFPS.com is a reliable source, but that's secondary. Anyway, I added the commentary from the IGN source you linked above to the article. bridies (talk) 16:18, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
I can understand this need to avoid original research and/or synthesis, and you do an admirable job to stay the course and use only the best sources (kudos to you). I know I could have done better in this case, and am learning the nuances. 2 questions, with conflicting articles, are both noted, and how does one deal with well known events that may not be reviews/commented about? To finish off, you last update gives an impression of the hopes by players in the early OL/MMO days, that is very good (gets readers to go further). Sorry of being aggressive, and well done Bridies. --Flightsoffancy (talk) 19:31, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
If there are conflicted statements around, normally we just write that "Magazine X says this, but magazine Y says so and so". bridies (talk) 15:29, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Done. bridies (talk) 05:02, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
In this case I think "world's first massively multiplayer online first person shooter" should be surrounded by quotes since its factual accuracy is dubious. SharkD Talk  04:56, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I won't say which was first. But I can say that we should always remember that even a reliable source like IGN might make mistakes every now and then, like any other reliable source operated by human beings. It might be worth mentioning in the article that although IGN named it the first one, others of the same kind already existed. NeoGenPT (talk) 07:49, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

IGN didn't say anything. This is a press release, not IGN's own opinion (see a mirror here: http://www.gamezone.com/news/05_05_03_05_04PM.htm ). I don't think this one statement qualifies as a reliable stateme nt, since it's obviously meant to be promotional in purpose rather than informative. Megata Sanshiro (talk) 13:42, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Again, the article states that Planetside 'was promoted as the "world's first" MMOFPS'. This is the statement that the source supports. Although, IGN's own statement I refer to would not appear to be part of the press release itself and is not mirrored in the GameZone version. It's the heading which says "World's First MMOFPS Complete". Furthermore I still don't see any reliably sourced evidence for contending viewpoints. bridies (talk) 14:16, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I added another citation for the noteworthiness of Planetside's persistent world feature, since it's a fair point the press release alone probably wouldn't warrant a mention in a history article. bridies (talk) 15:11, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Quote from Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources#Self-published and questionable sources as sources on themselves:

Self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, especially in articles about themselves, without the requirement that they be published experts in the field, so long as:
  1. the material is not unduly self-serving;
  2. it does not involve claims about third parties;
  3. it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject;
  4. there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity;
  5. the article is not based primarily on such sources.

Megata Sanshiro (talk) 20:42, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't see your point. It is being used as a source of information about the game itself. It's not really a self-published source either, Sony may have written it but in this instance it was published on IGN. bridies (talk) 05:04, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
IGN also repeated the claims in articles such as this one (a news story, not a press release) and made their own assertions at least re the persistent world in the review. bridies (talk) 05:13, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Just because a game is promoted at being the first to do something doesn't make it true. GameAxis[2] (bottom right of the page) lists Necron as "the first major MMOFPS title to capture mainstream attention" and the MMOG article states that there is debate between it and Planetside as the first. The two articles should at least be consistent with one another. Also, the IGN review states only that it's Sony's first MMOFPS, not that it's the first MMOFPS and this story reads, "The first real MMOFPS is shipping to stores says Sony Online Entertainment." Note that they are repeating SOE's claim, not verifying it. The IGN news story quoted in the article and the GameZone article do claim that it's the first MMORPG. I strongly suspect that neither games were the first MMOFPS and that it's really a debate between which one was the first significant one, which, from what I can see, would be Planetside. UncannyGarlic (talk) 23:47, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

warning! 2 out of the 10 million players of Doom killed someone... connection? Undue weight removed[edit]

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